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Sarah and Todd Palin are anti-government nutjobs who support actual treason and secession. Do you suppose this information will get the same amount of hysterical media coverage as Obama's flag pin and Rev. Wright?

The founder of the Alaska Independence Party -- a group that has been courted over the years by Sarah Palin, and one her husband was a member of for roughly seven years -- once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed the American flag as a "damn flag."

The AIP founder, Joe Vogler, made the comments in 1991, in an interview that's now housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

"And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. "I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

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Eh, I don't agree with Palin's brand of politics, but I'm not about to paint her with a brush used by the tinfoil hat brigade. This is not really that different, in my mind, when people complained about Michelle Obama saying she supposedly hated America or whatever that was. I certainly do not have a ton of respect for Palin, but this is reaching.

Al @ 09/03/2008 09:13 AM CST


"This is not really that different, in my mind, when people complained about Michelle Obama saying she supposedly hated America or whatever that was"

My point exactly, Al. Democrats always have to prove their patriotism to the media, for some reason, while Republicans -- even those with ties to separatist, anti-government organizations -- are just assumed to be patriotic no matter what they say or do. No one on the networks covering the convention this week will say that Sarah Palin's speech will have to convince people that she actually loves her country, like they said about both Obamas.

amyc @ 09/03/2008 11:01 AM CST


I think my point was missed, which was that I think it's unreasonable to damn her over somebody else's views. There are a lot of reasons to not like her. To protest that this is a valid one strains credibility.

Al @ 09/03/2008 04:01 PM CST


I think you're the one missing the point, Al. Damning Sarah Palin for the views of someone else makes as much sense as damning Barack Obama for the views of Rev. Wright -- which is to say no sense at all. Yet Obama was excoriated for Wright's infamous speech even though he wasn't even in the building when it happened. I'm pointing out the double standard in the media's treatment of two fairly similar events. No one will ever ask Sarah Palin if she loves her country, even if they should.

amyc @ 09/03/2008 05:50 PM CST


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